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Well, we do learn if we do researching about things through science. Scientists brought up that man made influenza vaccine against swineflu, and why do you even think we got houses and internet? research, science and lots of hard work and pain and agony for that matter. In chemistry you can weigh stuff, everything has some sort of mass, energy, force or similar entities in life.got proof that this "carbon monoxide" exists? you've never seen "carbon monoxide." you've never smelled it. you've never held this supposedly massive thing in your hand. how the fuck do you know it exists in space?
OH RIGHT THAT SCIENCE TEXTBOOK SAID SO.
well why the hell do you believe your science textbook shit? it's all part of a massive brainwashing by the government via education.
OH RIGHT THAT SCIENCE TEXTBOOK SAID SO.
well why the hell do you believe your science textbook shit? it's all part of a massive brainwashing by the government via education.
Mankind has achieved lots of great things through science. The funny thing is, in history the priests at one church a time in life made their own research and came to the conclusion that the world is flat and then the opposition of scientists who were not a part of the church were putting the christians to a test of realism and so they discussed the matter of which one was most probably the right answer.
The priests of the church resigned after several logical arguments that had put them into need of more proof, but as we all know or should know. The world is indeed not flat but round. I might be wrong about the story a bit, but it's part of this similar story I've heard that is a big part of history.
Conclusion of all this, if we believe too much in something it becomes to overwhelming to oneself and the person reading will get affected on all levels but only if seriously taking in everything in the books and using that information. It makes sense. The way we interpret things are different sometimes but yet not, control is what we have and use to alter our intepretations we get from our senses and base our actions on rationality (I hope) when we get these interpretations. I know that psychology plays a big part in this, the behavior of mankind is what decides the existence of evil and god from my point of view.
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FlooD has written
got proof that this "carbon monoxide" exists? you've never seen "carbon monoxide." you've never smelled it. you've never held this supposedly massive thing in your hand. how the fuck do you know it exists in space?
OH RIGHT THAT SCIENCE TEXTBOOK SAID SO.
well why the hell do you believe your science textbook shit? it's all part of a massive brainwashing by the government via education.
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OH RIGHT THAT SCIENCE TEXTBOOK SAID SO.
well why the hell do you believe your science textbook shit? it's all part of a massive brainwashing by the government via education.
<trollface>
In fact it exists in space, let's compare oxygen with carbon monoxide, considering that they both are gas.
Breath and hold the air in your mouth, your cheek will be filled and "swollen", that is a proof that gas has a existence in space. Because it can fill you cheek.
Or if you want a better proof (this will 90% surelly f**k your health), start you fathers car, put your mouth in the "escape pipe" and breath every smoke you can, you will probably be suffocated after that and will start coughing hardly, that's a more "solid" (not that solid, in physical therms) proof that carbon monoxide exists...
And as @KimKat7 say'd, it's not brainwash education, but "research, science and lots of hard work".
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KimKat has written Quote
lots of stufftrollpost
<facepalm>
you realize that post was for purposes of illustration... i.e. using his own argument which discredited christianity to discredit a really obvious fact.
</facepalm>
btw, we think that those priests dudes are retarded for thinking that the earth is flat. guess what? 500 years later, people will think we, the humans in 2011, are retarded for thinking <insert "obvious" fact here>.
Mechanolith has written FlooD has written
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In fact it exists in space, let's compare oxygen with carbon monoxide, considering that they both are gas.
Breath and hold the air in your mouth, your cheek will be filled and "swollen", that is a proof that gas has a existence in space. Because it can fill you cheek.
Or if you want a better proof (this will 90% surelly f**k your health), start you fathers car, put your mouth in the "escape pipe" and breath every smoke you can, you will probably be suffocated after that and will start coughing hardly, that's a more "solid" (not that solid, in physical therms) proof that carbon monoxide exists...
And as @KimKat7 say'd, it's not brainwash education, but "research, science and lots of hard work".
ya no shit CO exists.
but why do you believe it exists? you believe it exists NOT because you smelled, felt, or tasted it. you've (hopefully) never put ur mouth to the exhaust pipe of a car.
the reason you believe is that society and media (teachers, parents, textbooks, tv, etc...) tells you it does. some time in your youth you were probably introduced to this mysterious gas thingy called "carbon monoxide" and how it is odorless and lethal. and as you grew up, perhaps you asked people about CO. perhaps you googled it and searched. nothing you learn, nothing you're exposed to argues against what you know about CO; thus, you believe that CO exists. THIS (and pretty much all education) is more or less the same type of "brainwashing" some non-religious people claim that religious people have undergone
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FlooD has written<facepalm>
you realize that post was for purposes of illustration... i.e. using his own argument which discredited christianity to discredit a really obvious fact.
</facepalm>
btw, we think that those priests dudes are retarded for thinking that the earth is flat. guess what? 500 years later, people will think we, the humans in 2011, are retarded for thinking <insert "obvious" fact here>.
you realize that post was for purposes of illustration... i.e. using his own argument which discredited christianity to discredit a really obvious fact.
</facepalm>
btw, we think that those priests dudes are retarded for thinking that the earth is flat. guess what? 500 years later, people will think we, the humans in 2011, are retarded for thinking <insert "obvious" fact here>.
And what KimKat did there was tear your sloppy illustration to pieces. And maybe in 500 years, people will think the majority of the population was retarded for believing in such 'fantastic' deities, such as we do the ancient Greeks now. My argument was that the basis of your logic for an argument implies itself, and therefore must be true, which is logical bullshit. How does that mean that with my logic, Carbon Monoxide does not exist? In addition to being able to do a home test (Turn on your old car with a paper bag on the muzzle, take a paper bag of equal weight and inside volume, and then put both of those on a balance), there have been hundreds of recorded and reported studies proving that CO and similar compounds exist. Where are your reasonable (See also: Sane) studies proving that your god or gods exist?
Anyways i respect atheism but most of them turn into an atheist only because they dont see nor hear god. well first of all . remember u were born u have a beginning and a end.
u have a mouth to speak with other people and legs to walk around and hands to grab things and a brain to think ears to hear sound and yes ur gentinals to breed. hearing this makes u think there's someone behind this who set this up (well for me that is). mostly i refuse to believe im made of an bacteria and thats how we came its the same
like
''What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this: A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile . . with no left over parts . . and the motor is running . . ''
And the bigbang is true its proven but this doesnt mean god doesnt exist infact the bigbang theorie proved even more of gods existence. because as u know in science a chemical reaction. so infact there is someone behind this and therefor i believe in the creator the almighty
now many of u say god doesnt speak to me when i need him bla bla i dont hear him he doesnt exist. end/
but remember u were born and the creator teached us whats good and bad. and he's right u do feel awfull if u kill someone u do feel awfull if u steal deep inside ur heart these emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart and most of all FAITH!
Yes-R has writtenFirst of all nice comments guys really like this topic going on. love to hear ur opinions.
Anyways i respect atheism but most of them turn into an atheist only because they dont see nor hear god. well first of all . remember u were born u have a beginning and a end.
u have a mouth to speak with other people and legs to walk around and hands to grab things and a brain to think ears to hear sound and yes ur gentinals to breed. hearing this makes u think there's someone behind this who set this up (well for me that is). mostly i refuse to believe im made of an bacteria and thats how we came its the same
like
''What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this: A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile . . with no left over parts . . and the motor is running . . ''
And the bigbang is true its proven but this doesnt mean god doesnt exist infact the bigbang theorie proved even more of gods existence. because as u know in science a chemical reaction. so infact there is someone behind this and therefor i believe in the creator the almighty
now many of u say god doesnt speak to me when i need him bla bla i dont hear him he doesnt exist. end/
but remember u were born and the creator teached us whats good and bad. and he's right u do feel awfull if u kill someone u do feel awfull if u steal deep inside ur heart these emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart and most of all FAITH!
Anyways i respect atheism but most of them turn into an atheist only because they dont see nor hear god. well first of all . remember u were born u have a beginning and a end.
u have a mouth to speak with other people and legs to walk around and hands to grab things and a brain to think ears to hear sound and yes ur gentinals to breed. hearing this makes u think there's someone behind this who set this up (well for me that is). mostly i refuse to believe im made of an bacteria and thats how we came its the same
like
''What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this: A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile . . with no left over parts . . and the motor is running . . ''
And the bigbang is true its proven but this doesnt mean god doesnt exist infact the bigbang theorie proved even more of gods existence. because as u know in science a chemical reaction. so infact there is someone behind this and therefor i believe in the creator the almighty
now many of u say god doesnt speak to me when i need him bla bla i dont hear him he doesnt exist. end/
but remember u were born and the creator teached us whats good and bad. and he's right u do feel awfull if u kill someone u do feel awfull if u steal deep inside ur heart these emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart and most of all FAITH!
Let's go ahead and dissect this.
''What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this: A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile . . with no left over parts . . and the motor is running . . ''
Alright
"What if someone called a 'prophet' tells you his 'truth' of how cars were made: an non-sense-able creature appeared out of nowhere, but has always existed, and has the power to do absolutely anything he chooses, and is morally perfect, but decides to create evil. So he creates a car out of nothing, and, even though he is morally perfect, has it pollute the air and water..."
Also, let's look at how cars really were invented. It started with the horse-and-buggy, which was a more olden form of transportation. Now, oil was discovered and, after the first half of the industrial revolution, a stroke of inspiration, luck or chance if you will, led to the first primitive 'automobile', which, by today's standards was a slow-moving inefficient tank. But it worked. Now this was adapted into more efficient, sleek, bigger, and more complicated models, but not all cars were the same. They divided into different companies which in turn made different models of their brands. Slowly but surely, different parts were added to become the standard as they were discovered by other inventors, due to logic, chance, and the coming together of different elements. Eventually we have this car diversity today, because of all the different paths different people have taken. If someone were allowed only what we see today, it would seem ridiculous to think that cars were formed to be this complicated so slowly, but you must look unto the whole timeline and refrain from cherry picking.
Alright, last point I want to make;
"emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart..."
First, emotions don't come from the heart. That's what ancient Egyptians thought. They come from the head. Second, emotions have been thoroughly studied and, infact, proven by science. There are whole fields (Psychology to name one) dedicated to the study of how the brain and its emotions work. This nulls your whole point that morals need come from a creator.
I'll leave with a repeat of this question, and I'd be happy to see a 'believer' step up to the plate and answer it:
If God can do anything,
can he create a boulder,
that he himself cannot lift?
bezmolvie has writtenthere have been hundreds of recorded and reported studies proving that CO and similar compounds exist.
with a few substitutions:
there have been hundreds of witnesses, whose writings are recorded in the Bible, proving that God exists.
Mechanolith has writtenand there is no solid arguments about God's existence and bible's truth
Sry for the quote from 2 pages behind, but I just had the time to read through this for the first time..
bezmolvie has written Yes-R has writtenFirst of all nice comments guys really like this topic going on. love to hear ur opinions.
Anyways i respect atheism but most of them turn into an atheist only because they dont see nor hear god. well first of all . remember u were born u have a beginning and a end.
u have a mouth to speak with other people and legs to walk around and hands to grab things and a brain to think ears to hear sound and yes ur gentinals to breed. hearing this makes u think there's someone behind this who set this up (well for me that is). mostly i refuse to believe im made of an bacteria and thats how we came its the same
like
''What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this: A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile . . with no left over parts . . and the motor is running . . ''
And the bigbang is true its proven but this doesnt mean god doesnt exist infact the bigbang theorie proved even more of gods existence. because as u know in science a chemical reaction. so infact there is someone behind this and therefor i believe in the creator the almighty
now many of u say god doesnt speak to me when i need him bla bla i dont hear him he doesnt exist. end/
but remember u were born and the creator teached us whats good and bad. and he's right u do feel awfull if u kill someone u do feel awfull if u steal deep inside ur heart these emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart and most of all FAITH!
Anyways i respect atheism but most of them turn into an atheist only because they dont see nor hear god. well first of all . remember u were born u have a beginning and a end.
u have a mouth to speak with other people and legs to walk around and hands to grab things and a brain to think ears to hear sound and yes ur gentinals to breed. hearing this makes u think there's someone behind this who set this up (well for me that is). mostly i refuse to believe im made of an bacteria and thats how we came its the same
like
''What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this: A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile . . with no left over parts . . and the motor is running . . ''
And the bigbang is true its proven but this doesnt mean god doesnt exist infact the bigbang theorie proved even more of gods existence. because as u know in science a chemical reaction. so infact there is someone behind this and therefor i believe in the creator the almighty
now many of u say god doesnt speak to me when i need him bla bla i dont hear him he doesnt exist. end/
but remember u were born and the creator teached us whats good and bad. and he's right u do feel awfull if u kill someone u do feel awfull if u steal deep inside ur heart these emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart and most of all FAITH!
Let's go ahead and dissect this.
''What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this: A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile . . with no left over parts . . and the motor is running . . ''
Alright
"What if someone called a 'prophet' tells you his 'truth' of how cars were made: an non-sense-able creature appeared out of nowhere, but has always existed, and has the power to do absolutely anything he chooses, and is morally perfect, but decides to create evil. So he creates a car out of nothing, and, even though he is morally perfect, has it pollute the air and water..."
Also, let's look at how cars really were invented. It started with the horse-and-buggy, which was a more olden form of transportation. Now, oil was discovered and, after the first half of the industrial revolution, a stroke of inspiration, luck or chance if you will, led to the first primitive 'automobile', which, by today's standards was a slow-moving inefficient tank. But it worked. Now this was adapted into more efficient, sleek, bigger, and more complicated models, but not all cars were the same. They divided into different companies which in turn made different models of their brands. Slowly but surely, different parts were added to become the standard as they were discovered by other inventors, due to logic, chance, and the coming together of different elements. Eventually we have this car diversity today, because of all the different paths different people have taken. If someone were allowed only what we see today, it would seem ridiculous to think that cars were formed to be this complicated so slowly, but you must look unto the whole timeline and refrain from cherry picking.
Alright, last point I want to make;
"emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart..."
First, emotions don't come from the heart. That's what ancient Egyptians thought. They come from the head. Second, emotions have been thoroughly studied and, infact, proven by science. There are whole fields (Psychology to name one) dedicated to the study of how the brain and its emotions work. This nulls your whole point that morals need come from a creator.
I'll leave with a repeat of this question, and I'd be happy to see a 'believer' step up to the plate and answer it:
If God can do anything,
can he create a boulder,
that he himself cannot lift?
If God can do anything,
can he create a boulder,
that he himself cannot lift?
why should a creation of without free will be refusing the creator? thats impossible.
planets move around the sun in orbits.This is due to gravity and also central force of the sun.
“He it is who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all swim along, each in its rounded course.”
This is what a prophet gave us 1600 years ago. impressive ?
while not even 500 years ago most of the people thought the earth is flat
“We have built the heaven with might, and verily we are expanding it.” Pretty much show's the expanding universe
everything a holy book says about creation is almost proved by science (even the big bang theorie is true).
emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart..." it may come from the thoughts but u forget 1 big thing. its proven by heart. u can feel awfull sometime's (doing bad things) and thats not ur brain who's feeling awfull its ur heart. this is not science this is a level upon that. as i said in my previous posts science cant prove anything. there are things we cant understand even using all of our 5 trillion cell's.
and u say god created evil .god did not create evil. its god who created good only.then u say why are there evil things ? now if ur religious u heard stories about the devil right.? god is omnipotent he can vanish him whenever he wants but he doesnt. but why ? to see u go down disrespecting the creator? no. its u who needs to prove ur self worthy for god.god doesnt need us we need him. even in desperate times atheists call help from the creator. and the most important thing is to follow ..your'e.............. HEART.
just to let u know wich god im reffering to.
its the god of israel. torah. bible and islam. he is the same god
And why, if there is no God, does every civilisation in the world have followers in a God of some sort? For all we know, God could be a singular deity whos knowledge is shared by all humans. We cannot simply dismiss God because we have no understanding of the matter in anyway.
DannyDeth has writtenAnd why, if there is no God, does every civilisation in the world have followers in a God of some sort? For all we know, God could be a singular deity whos knowledge is shared by all humans. We cannot simply dismiss God because we have no understanding of the matter in anyway.
God isn't necessarily what we make him out to be. Personally, I think we may all be just a simulation of life ran by some "User" (God for some) to observe and ultimately entertain himself. And apparently, with some research, there's a 20% chance we are just a simulation life.
) DannyDeth has writtenBut then why do we all think apart from eachother? ( I can assure you I think for myself )
)That's because every separate "simulation" (Us) has different coding, programming to think separately.
A simulation would be unreal. That is just not possible in my mind.
DannyDeth has writtenImho, the big bang theory is a load of crap. How does nothing explode? Seriously? Tell me, nothing, as defined as a vacuum, has no matter in it, so how can it explode? Energy can pass through it, but cannot react with it, so does this make sense?
And why, if there is no God, does every civilisation in the world have followers in a God of some sort? For all we know, God could be a singular deity whos knowledge is shared by all humans. We cannot simply dismiss God because we have no understanding of the matter in anyway.
And why, if there is no God, does every civilisation in the world have followers in a God of some sort? For all we know, God could be a singular deity whos knowledge is shared by all humans. We cannot simply dismiss God because we have no understanding of the matter in anyway.
science ./
BIG BANG:
Universe has a beginning
•Perhaps an end
•Space, time and matter came into existence at an instant
•From the explosion of a compact mass called a singularity!
•All of the matter that makes up the universe is a result of that explosion.
•Most scientists, prefer this explanation because it explains all other observations better. Eg. Concept of back ground radiation and expansion of universe
religion /
Don’t the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were one unit of creation, we then split them asunder (separated them)… “
we understand that the concept of the big bang in fact has an element of truth!
FORMATION OF A SOLAR SYSTEM:
Science explains:
•Big bang – hot fragments into space
•Fragments merged with clouds of gas called nebulae
•A cooling process began – giving rise to ball like structures – planets
•Heat that was generated due to the cooling process, accumulated in the centre – heated up the central body – became the sun.
Religion explains
Then he turned to the heaven and it was smoke. So he said to it and to the earth – come you two, willingly or unwillingly – They said – we come willingly”
Following ideas confirmed by this verse:
•Presence of smoke in the initial stages of the universe (nebulae)
•Merging of the smoke and the earth (perhaps the fragments)
I really can't understand all that, for me Jesus was only a good guy and helped a lot of people, and as people always to, they "distort" the history along the ages until it reaches 2011...
I did. Hehehe.
naah, okay. Look we will probably never know, we are very intelligent. But we aren't that good.