Existence of evil and god
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FlooD has writtenwouldn't it be evil to restrict someone's free will by preventing him from doing evil?
Good question , even if somehow in future God and Satan are gooing to be proved as real , if Satan is gooing to guarantee me some super-powers and a army of slaves I am gonna be his supreme commander , and help him to..do evil stuff , fight with Satan against the "heaven's angels".
Maybe I have a chance to meet Hitler , Himmler , Goering ..all the carracters who should remain alive for ever. oh dear lord , send someone to fix me!
The professor then asked, "If God created everything, then he created evil. Since evil exists (as noticed by our own actions), so God is evil. The student couldn't respond to that statement causing the professor to conclude that he had "proved" that "belief in God" was a fairy tale, and therefore worthless.
Another student raised his hand and asked the professor, "May I pose a question? " "Of course" answered the professor.
The young student stood up and asked : "Professor does Cold exists?"
The professor answered, "What kind of question is that? ...Of course the cold exists... haven't you ever been cold?"
The young student answered, "In fact sir, Cold does not exist. According to the laws of Physics, what we consider cold, in fact is the absence of heat. Anything is able to be studied as long as it transmits energy (heat). Absolute Zero is the total absence of heat, but cold does not exist. What we have done is create a term to describe how we feel if we don't have body heat or we are not hot."
"And, does Dark exist?", he continued. The professor answered "Of course". This time the student responded, "Again you're wrong, Sir. Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in fact simply the absence of light. Light can be studied, darkness can not. Darkness cannot be broken down. A simple ray of light tears the darkness and illuminates the surface where the light beam finishes. Dark is a term that we humans have created to describe what happens when there's lack of light."
Finally, the student asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" The professor replied, "Of course it exists, as I mentioned at the beginning, we see violations, crimes and violence anywhere in the world, and those things are evil."
The student responded, "Sir, Evil does not exist. Just as in the previous cases, Evil is a term which man has created to describe the result of the absence of God's presence in the hearts of man."
After this, the professor bowed down his head, and didn't answer back.
The young man's name was ALBERT EINSTEIN.
Heard it 12 times so far , it's the biggest crap ever.
R a G e has written
Does it matters?
My religion it's...lets just say I am fine with this..no religion thing.
My religion it's...lets just say I am fine with this..no religion thing.
Exactly my current situation.
R a G e has written
Fapicon , G. Should come or send some Mechanics , to fix my Videocard , because I have some -3.6 problems right now myopia , and life sucks with that stupid glasses on.
oh dear lord , send someone to fix me!
oh dear lord , send someone to fix me!
Exactly my situation, and i tried to put contact lens, really, NEVER try it, it's the worst thing ever, medicine's regression. It hurts the eyes and looks like they are burning, you have to put your finger almost inside your eye to remove/put it, and much more...
I have 3.0 , 3.5 myopia grades on the respective eyes.
R a G e has writtenBiggest shit ever.
Heard it 12 times so far , it's the biggest crap ever.
Heard it 12 times so far , it's the biggest crap ever.
it isnt actually crap.
if u really understand physics its actually true ''We give things a name and act if it exists''
and so u know what really crap is ? if u dont have faith that real crap in my eyes if u think that u exist by some accident or so. and somehow u it made u.thats crap
Faith is often defined as "the belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence"
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Are you comparing religious gods with coders and programmers? Wow...
It's a valid analogy, given that we define god as the creator of the universe, and the programmer the creator of a virtual universe. The only problem I have with it is that
1. Given that the programmer is "omnipotent", in this context the ability to create flawless programs, then under no circumstances should his programs achieve "features" that he did not intend nor foresee.
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Anyway, the original logic is a major hole in the non-secular ('personal god(s)') religions. If God can do anything, can he create a stone he cannot lift? From this and other, more solid and lengthy logics (Which I'm both too tired and too lazy to cite right now), one can extrapolate that being able to do anything contradicts being able to do anything; omnipotence is nonexistent.
Logically, the system under scrutiny assumes the existence of god, evil, omnipotence, and benevolence as axioms. Since the axiom system is hypothetical, external sources of contradiction of these propositions do not affect these axioms as their truth values are independent of whether the axiom system itself is sound. (IE: proof systems only requires the deducibility of contradictions through their inference rules in order to prove that the system is unsound).
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Evil (immorality and malevolence and a subjective word too) only exists through people's actions.
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What does God (an omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent deity) actually consider evil?
This is only true of a universal, assuming that we fix the perspective under which morality is weighed, (what god considers evil), then we can for the sake of this discussion consider the existence of a moral absolute.
What then would a benevolent god consider to be evil? Anything that he himself would not willingly act upon. (Note that the only property of good and evil are relative only when measured against each other, good and evil being complements with ambivalence, which is neither)
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People also has free will (given by God) and they can use it to commit evil actions.
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Why would God prevent us from being evil, taking away from us the gift of free will?
However there are no arguments considering free will as a necessity to either omnipotence, omniscience, or benevolence, hence there's no justification for believing that free will would be granted by an omnipotent and benevolent god.
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Why do we want to change God so that we can talk about him in our philosophical discussions instead of changing our philosophical discussions so that we can talk about God?
God being a hypothetical entity, his existence and his properties do not reflect the soundness of the system, these being prior assumptions created in order to constrain the scope of the discussion.
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Why would God prevent us from being evil, taking away from us the gift of free will?
If god is benevolent, we see him as the epitome of goodness. If his constituents is then granted the choice of malevolence, where malevolence should be unattainable, then god is either malevolent, or he could not prevent his constituents from gaining free will, meaning that he is not omnipotent.
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In fact sir, Cold does not exist. According to the laws of Physics, what we consider cold, in fact is the absence of heat. Anything is able to be studied as long as it transmits energy (heat). Absolute Zero is the total absence of heat, but cold does not exist. What we have done is create a term to describe how we feel if we don't have body heat or we are not hot.?
This takes on the assumption that the complement of an existent object/set/concept cannot exist. However, if evil's existence is implicit within the system, no matter how abstract the notion is, unless its complement (it is not the case the evil exists) can be deduced, which would itself prove the unsoundness of the system, this is fruitless.
Furthermore, if cold is a description of the lack of heat within any physical system, kinetic energy being a property of matter derived from the net velocity of its components, do we then contend that the concept of kinetic energy is nonexistent? While neither cold nor heat are quantifiable without deriving from more atomic properties of matter, the concept of being cold does exist for all matter, even if it is vague.
And if I remember correctly, Einstein is a deist, but he rejects the Abrahamaic God, contending that the existence of a god who would so fruitlessly dabble within the trivialities of humans is pathetic.
Yes-R has written
Faith is often defined as "the belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence"
And i need logical proof or material evidence to have faith on something that suppose exists, so it's impossible to i have faith...
Mechanolith has written Yes-R has written
Faith is often defined as "the belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence"
And i need logical proof or material evidence to have faith on something that suppose exists, so it's impossible to i have faith...
at some things u cant have logical proof or material evidence. not everything is related to science there are things our brain cant comprehend and therefor we cant understand how it is. remember we are 3 dimensional beings and we cant understand everything
FlooD has writtenhas anyone actually read every single post in this thread?
Yes-R's post above to about 4000%, yes I know it's excessive. But I guess it's still worth a try to understand things. I think personally we as humans set the variables to what they are, as earlier mentioned it's a matter of taste and manipulation, so therefor I think it's obvious to state the impossibility to know these things but yet it seems to be possible. 
Adam and Eve sinned against God by eating the fruit which was introduced to us by the serpent (hence our free will). When God cursed the ground as a fair punishment, Adam said in essence that he wanted to be away from God. He (and thus we) became able to be independent from God. This may be why being an atheist seems easy for most.
Now, whenever something bad happens, I have heard one say "Why God? Why?!" It's not his fault at ALL that evil now exists, but ours in the very beginning. God, as mentioned many times by Lee, IS all-loving and all-powerful. It's just that somewhere in our hearts, it is now "programmed" in us to do evil so easily.
Now some may say, "Then why do things in life die? Isn't God with us then?" He is here, but He withdrew his power away as he cursed the ground because of Adam (see Genesis for more on this.) Hence, this cruel world is pretty much how life would be without Him.
I am sure someone will think "So God is evil then for cursing the world?" No, it's Adam's (hence, our) fault. God is a loving yet fair being, so He had to do this. The fruit WAS forbidden, after all.
This is my explanation. You can go ahead and abuse the words mentioned here, but this is my explanation. You can call me a brainwashed religious zealot who believes in a false deity, but I just don't care what you call me. I believe in Him, and that's all I can say: It is our fault evil exists, and so only We can fix it.
This is probably the only post that has religious references in it, so this one might be the most abused by the latter.
Flacko has writtenWe call it like that because Jesus fucking said so.
Circular reasoning. Where's your proof that he said so, and even if, if that means anything at all?
Edit: And don't quote me the bible and say it's true because Jesus said it's true in the bible.
Flacko has written Mechanolith has writtenI will only believe if i see, i am not the kind of person that believes on a invisible/"unfeel-able" thing.
CO => Carbon monoxide is the answer. It's colorless (or invisible, if you wish), odorless, tasteless and it can kill you by suffocation easily.
Carbon monoxide also has mass and volume; it exists in space, and chemical properties. Where does your God exist?
Flacko has writtenMoreover Jesus also said
So I guess religion doesn't suit you at all (at least not christianism)
John 20,23 has written
Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed
So I guess religion doesn't suit you at all (at least not christianism)
Christianism... lawl... Christianity. And now we have more circular reasoning. You claim that the proof needed to believe without other proof is taken right from the belief in question. Let's assume the bible is not true and God does not exist, and Jesus was a raving lunatic. Your argument that that is not true is that Jesus said something, however, in our assumption that saying holds no water, because he's insane. If we assume conversely - in the affirmative - then your argument is true. You're answering "Does a + b = c?" with "Of course, because c - b = a".
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@Pupp3t, okay you brainwashed religious zealot who believes in a false deity (You gave me permission)
bezmolvie has writtenCarbon monoxide also has mass and volume; it exists in space, and chemical properties.
got proof that this "carbon monoxide" exists? you've never seen "carbon monoxide." you've never smelled it. you've never held this supposedly massive thing in your hand. how the fuck do you know it exists in space?
OH RIGHT THAT SCIENCE TEXTBOOK SAID SO.
well why the hell do you believe your science textbook shit? it's all part of a massive brainwashing by the government via education.
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FlooD has written bezmolvie has writtenCarbon monoxide also has mass and volume; it exists in space, and chemical properties.
got proof that this "carbon monoxide" exists? you've never seen "carbon monoxide." you've never smelled it. you've never held this supposedly massive thing in your hand. how the fuck do you know it exists in space?
OH RIGHT THAT SCIENCE TEXTBOOK SAID SO.
well why the hell do you believe your science textbook shit? it's all part of a massive brainwashing by the government via education.
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You can weigh it.
Even though they are not history books (they don't talk about concrete places, times, nor dates. More info) and the texts were adapted to target a specific type of people (based on their previous religions and nationalities, thus losing objectivity) I think that the previous existence of lunatic called "Jesus" who was born in the old city of Nazareth about 2011~2016 years ago is a fact.
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